Wrapped: Butcher and Blackbird by Brynne Weaver

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So I made a new friend at work, and it's

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a straight man. So I'm learning a

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lot about straight men that I didn't know,

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and I just don't. Because I. I asked Dave. So I'll

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start this. I talked to Dave after this because this guy

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was telling me about his bros, his boys. Tell me about his boys.

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Of course he was. There's a bunch of them. Okay.

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This guy was telling me, like, about his bachelor party and his

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boys and just basically how straight men are naked a

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lot around each other. I don't.

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Because they're not straight. I didn't know that. But so then I'm telling

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Dave. So I'm like. I'm learning things that I didn't know about straight men.

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And he's like, yeah, yeah. Guys are literally

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always naked. And he's telling me about.

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They, like, would, like, play games. Like, a bunch of these

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guys, like, live together, and they'd, like, play this game about, like, who could get

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somebody to look at something naked. And one guy, like,

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bent over and maneuvered it between his

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legs in the back. Is he telling a real story, or is he telling a

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story from the movie? Waiting. So I believe it's from that.

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But they would play this game and try to get people to look at it.

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So they'd actually play these. This game? Sure.

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Yeah. Straight men are a lot gayer than I thought.

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Did Dave play games like that? That's Dave. Dave was telling me that

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story. The guy your new friend wasn't telling you that story? Nope. The guy Dave

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told you that story? Dave told me that story. Because I had told Dave.

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The guy at work was telling me about his bachelor party there after the bar.

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There's, like, eight guys who get naked and they go in the hot tub.

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Can I tell you something? Yeah. My husband would never.

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I know. I know that. Yeah.

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And I. I literally said that today. My brother would

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never. My understanding from this guy is that it's got.

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It's bros, it's the boys, it's guys who

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played sports together. I mean, bro, culture is absolutely laden

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in, like, homosexuality. I know. I really

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do not get homosexual vibes from this guy. I could be

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wrong. He does wear a chain. So two. Two.

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He wears two chains. Yeah. All. Every day. I think

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sexuality is a spectrum. I think everybody is a

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little bit gay. Brooke and I have decided women.

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There are very few, actually, straight women. I could

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see that. Even Brooke and I were talking about that. Like, women. Brooke's like,

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get me drunk. I'll make out with you. Oh. Oh, my God. Brooks.

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We are the superior gender. Men are disgusting.

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We just talked about that. Men are absolutely disgusting

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in almost every way. In fact, my favorite thing about my

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husband is how clean he is. Yeah, he is fastidious.

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He takes incredible care of his nails and his hair.

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And, like, he showers very, very frequently.

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Very, very regularly. Like, and showers and like,

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fully showers, washes his back, scrubs his body. Not all men

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do that. Deeply clean. I know I've been with not all men who

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don't do that. And I. It's not for me. And like,

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women are. By hands down, there is a reason that we are

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surprised. Nooks and crannies and. Yeah, Yes, a hundred percent, but so

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I think. So I came to. I had an epiphany that I think this,

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like, boys bromance culture is

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what's causing the male loneliness epidemic. Because these men.

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The male loneliness epidemic is being caused by a bunch of men

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who are in denial about the fact that they like other men.

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The patriarchy. It's the patriarchy in action,

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in full effect, telling them that you can't be gay because

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it's not manly enough. I guarantee you,

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I guarantee you 100%

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that there has been a time that he ended up in that hot tub naked

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with a friend of his and was thinking about making out with him. There is

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not a chance in hell that that did not happen.

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I brought that up. And there was a woman. Look at. There was a woman

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on the tick tock. On the tick tock. On the tick tock. The other day

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on the tick tock. She was talking about how her ex called her and was

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like, yeah, so I just had sex with my. My best friend last night.

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And she was like, oh, is this like a thing? Like, this is her

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ex boyfriend who as far as she knew, was a straight man. Yeah. And she

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was like, oh, is like that a thing? Like, are you. So are

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you gay? And he was like, no, we're. Neither of us are gay. And she

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was like, okay, but you guys, like, you. But you had sex. And he

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was like, yeah. And she was like, well, how did that come about? And he

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was like, I don't know. We just, like, we were out and we were having

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drinks and he was kind of like, hey, like, would you want to give this

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a try? And I was like, yeah, it sounds good. And then we just,

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like, did it and it was great. And like, yeah, now I'm just gonna,

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like, move on with my life. I'm telling you right now. It's like

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the Whole, like DL movement right now is absolutely insane on the

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Internet. I also, though, think that these men, the who

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are in these, like, bromances. I'm sorry, I interrupted

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you. And you didn't even get to tell me your theory. I know the worst.

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I'm the worst. Well, you had to, Celeste.

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You can come be on the podcast. You had to love on your theory.

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So your theory is that all these straight men are gay? I love them,

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but a lot of them. Yeah, the boys, I think that they

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get in their little echo chambers. Then it sent me down a rabbit

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hole. I'm reading articles. There was a New York Times article that talked about how

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these men are happier in their bromances. Yeah. And I said that. And he's

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like, yeah, man, I've got women nagging me in my bromance. Yeah. Because they

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don't like women. They do not like women. They do

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not like women, Nicole. Honestly, I. But I

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don't know that if that's necessarily that they're gay or they just think that they're

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superior and they just don't like women. This is the issue with labels, though,

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because did you guys hear last year about how they had to shut down a

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butter turkey factory because men were having sex with the turkeys?

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Did you hear about that? Men will literally stick their dicks

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in fucking anything. That is. You can't tell me. You can't

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tell me that. The only reason that you. There's a whole movie about it.

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You. You can't tell me that you're gonna. You're willing to put your dick into

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a woman's, but not a man's. They're the exact same. I've had my finger up

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both. I can tell you they're the exact same. It is

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100% a label thing. If you get a couple of men together and

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you don't tell them that there is anything wrong with them liking another man.

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We would have gay men all over the place.

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People would just be having sex with everybody all the time. Well, that is interesting,

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because Dave was like. Dave told me when I was like, so you're just always

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naked? And Dave's like, well, I wasn't as much, but a lot of those guys.

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Yeah, they were naked. And I don't think Dave is a gay man,

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but Dave is very comfortable with his sexuality. Right.

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And I think that is that difference. Yeah,

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I. I'm gonna need. I'm gonna need to percolate on this a little more.

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All right. Well, I didn't realize I'm gonna be Honest, I didn't realize how passionate

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I was about it. Honestly, I just think that everybody

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should just. Just loosen the fuck up and go out and just have some fucking

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fun. I'm talking literally about utopia right now. In our cult,

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everybody has sex with everybody. In our cult, everybody has sex with everybody. That's a

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rule of yes. Thank you. All right,

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well, I'm Amanda. And I'm Nicole. And we are plot tarts. We read,

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recap and review somebody books. Let us help you decide if this book should stay

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on your tbr. What are we reading Today?

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We are doing Butcher and Blackbird by Bryn Weaver

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for our wrapped episode, which. Means that this is our spoiler free

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episode. Our unwrapped episode is live and

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posted. You can just search it in your whatever podcast. It's a two parter

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service. Yep. We did it as a two parter. We are

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not fond of doing books as two parters,

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but this book was a God tier book for me and

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it took everything in me to only have to be two episodes. We would have

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talked about it for a month. Yeah. If Nicole would have let me. But she

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was like, bitch, get me out of here. I want a snack. Like, she was

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like, honestly, she's getting hangry. She gets hangry. So I'm excited

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to talk about it. And yeah, follow up with our unwrapped

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episode when you get a chance. Nicole's gonna give her version

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of the recap and then I'll give my version if I

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feel like I need to make an adjustment. Yeah. So this is basically just kind

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of based on the back of the book. Pretty spoiler free. Again, we find these

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things out very early. This is literally the best premise

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for a book. I was so excited when I read the premise for

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this book. It's two rival serial killers who only kill other

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serial killers and they meet when Rowan and

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Sloan, the rival serial killers, cross paths. It kicks off

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this dark, twisted friendship that morphs into a game and then so much

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more. But as they start to catch feelings, their pasts start catching

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up and they get a little too cocky for their own good somehow. This book

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is both dark and light hearted in the best way. Okay. I mean,

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I think heavy emphasis on the games,

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heavy emphasis on like the dark.

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It is a pretty dark. It is very graphic

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book. But Brynn Weaver as an author writes just.

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But it's light hearted. Yeah. She writes dark topics with so

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much levity. And I wasn't excited. I know

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you were excited about the premise, but I was just kind of. Like, I was

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like Two serial killers. But we even say this in the episode when.

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Cause we had just talked about Lights out,

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and in that episode, I say that I wish what's

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her name would have been a serial killer, and it would have been more interesting.

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And that is the premise that we got for this book. Yeah. I was elated.

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Yeah. Yeah. I was like, this is literally what I was looking for with Lights

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Out. I don't want. I don't need the girl

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to be this good girl. He's like the morally

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gray, and she's his savior. She's like, like this

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good, grounded girl. I like them when they're a little darker.

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Yeah. And Sloane has leaned into that,

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and I'm obsessed. Yeah. For sure.

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I had never read a Brynn Weaver book before. I read this book,

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and I think that's kind of why it caught me so off guard. I wasn't

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expecting to, like, love it as much as I do. For me,

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reading this book was, like, a religious experience.

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I. When I tell you, Sloane is like,

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I made a list of my favorite character, like, female leads that we've

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read on this podcast, and Sloane didn't even make

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the list because, like, she's so far beyond

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being at the top of the list in terms of, like, my favorite person.

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And their dynamic, like, Nicole mentioned is so,

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so fun. They Black cat, Golden retriever.

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It is black cat, golden retriever. But they are both,

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like, so, so crazy about each

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other, and it's so. Apparent to everybody in different ways. Yes. Yeah.

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They love very differently. And that is what I really liked about this book.

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Yeah. And you love this book so much you named your dog. I literally named

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my dog Blackbird. Yeah. Because I loved this book so much. It's interesting

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because after this book, we did Leather and Lark, and I

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identified with Lark in so many ways.

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It's, like, uncanny. Sloan is, I think,

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like, a part of anybody who's ever experienced any type

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of trauma. Sloan is a part of that in a way that is,

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like, indescribable. And the way that Brynn Weaver writes is so

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meticulous and thoughtful, and I just.

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I can't say enough nice things about this book. I love every book she's ever

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written. Yeah. So I'm excited to read. You haven't read her new one? No,

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I haven't. I'm like, I'm excited to read it, but I don't want to have

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to wait. Yeah. I just don't do well with that, so I feel

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like I'm going to have to wait until the rest of Them come out.

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Sure. And then our ratings. Yep.

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So for Spice level, you gave it a four, and I gave it a four.

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It's not a super spicy book,

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but it is a sexy book. Yes, it is. He's constantly

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yearning for her. They're turned on around each other when the spice hits.

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Hits. It's so good. It hits. Yeah.

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And we should clarify, this Spice level rating was

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based off of graphic. Yes. Since we rated this book, we've updated

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that, like, rating. But, yes, the scenes in

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this book are very. They're very graphic. Honestly, I'd probably give

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it still a 4 if I'm talking about how turned on I got. Honestly,

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probably me too. Rowan. Yeah. Rowan is. Gets me going like,

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oh, my God. No other. So for Spice frequency,

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you gave it a one, and I gave it a two. Yeah. There's, I think,

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two scenes. Yeah. It's definitely not. If you're just looking for smut, this would

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not be a book for you. No. This is plot with spice. Yeah. Yep.

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This is a well developed, thoughtful book. And then prose. We both gave it

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a five. I stand by that. I love. I love her writing. Yes.

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No notes. Yep. Sloane is, like you said, one of the most well

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developed female main characters that I've read. And I did figure it out, too,

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because you have a lot of female main characters that you like.

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Love. I don't, but I kind of like most of

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them. I love women. Yeah. And I like

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most characters, but Sloane is still. Sloane is probably one of my,

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like, out of two that I'm, like, actually obsessed with.

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Yeah. She's my favorite. Yeah. And I just want to clarify,

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I also love women. I am just critical. Yeah,

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but you're critical. You read these books with a more critical eye than I do.

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I am along for an entertainment ride. Yeah. You're being critical of

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everything. But even when I see, like, a lot of women on TikTok

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and stuff, they have their top male main characters

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and these men that they love. And there's always lists. And I never really see

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that from about women, which I get. But you would think women

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are more critical of women. Yeah. But also, like, I think that

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is actually such a good point because I, like, I wouldn't be able to give

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you a list of my top five men. I would be able to give you

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a list of my top five women. And it is actually a very. Like,

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I've never even really thought about that. But you're right. Like, the women are

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the best part of these books. So the fact that we have, like, lists of

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My favorite male lead character, but not lists of my favorite

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female lead character is actually kind of wild. Yeah. You're so.

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Look at you. I know. Oh, my God. All right, Storyline.

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We both gave it a five. Yes. It's such a good story. Such a good

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story. Two serial killers falling in love with each other. Yes. You guys, it is,

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like, part of a series, but it is kind of a standalone. And she does

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a really good job of, like, interspersing the characters for the next books

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into this book without making it super fucking obvious, because there

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is literally nothing that I hate more.

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It's one of my biggest pet peeves with, like, lights out.

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My biggest pet peeve with, like, when we did Hunting Adeline recently,

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where it's like the authors will just, like, drop in some side characters

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and you're just like, you know that they're setting them up for their own book

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series, but they're really not well integrated into the storyline. And in this

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case, she integrates these. Characters, like, flawlessly, and her writing is

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phenomenal. Yeah. It's just she's. Yeah. Brynn Weaver.

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Call me. Overall, we both gave it a five.

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And this was your first five. That tracks. Yeah. Yes. That makes sense.

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Yes. Yeah. Wow. Was it really? Yes. I stand by

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it. Yeah. This is a God tier book for me. I. If I wasn't doing

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this podcast and didn't have a million other books on my tbr, I would be

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pretty much just, like, rereading this book on repeat. Yeah.

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And then would this be for you an indulge then

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or an abstain? This is an indulge, so same for sure. Yeah. I recommend

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this book to everybody, and everybody who I've recommended it to loves it. Yeah,

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it's a great book. Highly recommend for sure. At the very least, if you

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don't want to read the book, go listen to our podcast. Go listen to our

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episode. Good point. All right, well,

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that was our wrapped episode of Bryn Weaver's

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Butcher and Blackbird. Butcher and Blackbird. Again, find our unwrapped

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episode in our previous podcast that's been released. We want to thank you so much

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for listening. I'm Amanda. And I'm Nicole, and we are Plot Tarts. We'll see you