Caught Up by Navessa Allen

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I have to tell you something. Oh, my.

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So I mentioned the other day that I have really

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good sex when we're doing the podcast, and we all know that, of course,

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I couldn't hold out. So my husband did get laid this weekend. I was

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sitting on the couch, and he came up to me and, like, wanted to go

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in for a kiss. And I was like, no. He grabbed my hair.

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So he's standing over me. He grabs my hair and pulls my head down,

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and then was real turned on. Oh,

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my God. So he doesn't. I don't think he likes to. He does not like

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to dominate. I think it's the rough. He likes to be

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a little rough. Sure. Cause he was. He enjoyed

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that. Really. In my head, I'm like, oh, my God, I can't wait to tell

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Amanda about this. Oh, my God, I'm so excited.

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Yeah. I think that's such an interesting distinction.

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But you don't like it rough, do you? You like

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to be manhandled, but you don't like to have sex rough.

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I do like rough sex. You do you. But you don't like to be spanked.

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I know. That's so interesting. Is.

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But I like watching rough porn. But would you like that

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to be done to you? I don't know. All of the stories that

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you tell me about Dave. He's so sweet and gentle. Oh, my God, he is.

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Yeah. So I just, like, he'll be going at it from behind, and he'll kiss

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my shoulder. Oh, I know. That's so sweet.

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My husband would never. I think I'm gonna buy a house.

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Okay, so we're moving to Mexico and buying a house

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and a dog. Look it. The world is literally

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coming to an end. It honestly is. It literally is. And I just don't know.

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Honestly, that's where I'm at right now. I just don't feel like, what am I

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holding out for? Who cares? Like, I'm not gonna waste my time being miserable

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about anything anymore. I'm literally just gonna be like, no, we're doing everything that we

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want to do, and anybody who doesn't like it. And you better subscribe

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to my podcast, because you're gonna make it happen.

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All right. Literally. That's such a great story, Dave.

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Just get the vasectomy. Get the vasectomy. Because all I want to do is have

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sex. I was telling you about that book that I read.

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Yeah. That I can't get over. Yeah. And I had to read during my.

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I didn't even get a lunch break today. But during My little lunch break.

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Had to read one of the scenes, and then I was wounded. Oh,

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no. I had to go tell Brooke, like, you need to read this so that

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I can talk to you about it. Shoot. But she can't skip a book because

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I read the first book, skipped the second, and then read the third. Yeah,

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she can't do it. No, I can't do that either. It's going to take forever

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for her to get there. And I haven't felt like

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this since the words, oh, my God, I'm having a book hangover.

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Oh, no. I know. And I'm just perpetually

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turned on now. Okay, well, I'm reading something else right now.

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So as soon as I'm done with. That, then you're going to read Deep.

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End, then I'm going to. That's what I'm reading right now, is Deep End.

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How far have you gotten? I haven't gotten very far, but I really,

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really. I have to go back to. I really like the way that Alvin

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Hazelwood writes. I just like her writing. It's so smart and sharp

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and fun and she just is. Yeah, I just love it.

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So I've only read a little tiny bit and I'm already excited. All right,

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well, what are we reading today? We are reading Caught

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up by Nevesa Allen. This is the second book after Lights

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Out. I don't know if this is what it's called, but on the front of

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the book it says an Into Darkness novel. And Into Darkness is

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italicized, so I'm assuming it's the world that she's

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writing is Into Darkness. And I can tell by the way that this book especially

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is written that she is 100% setting this up to be a

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500 book series. There's a million characters that she's trying to introduce

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here. I have so many big thoughts about it. It is so fucking annoying.

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I have so many big thoughts about these side characters.

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Yeah. Thank you. I can't wait to talk about it.

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Content warnings. Caught up is a dark stalker

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romcom with heavy themes. Reader discretion is advised as this book contains

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cam work, sex work, mafia and organized crime, blackmail,

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coercion, religion, blood, violence, gore, brief graphic sex including

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multi partner breath play, primal play, fear play, voyeurism,

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exhibitionism, bondage, light, bdsm, stalking, child abuse, domestic abuse,

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remembered slut, shaming, alcohol, gambling, smoking, mention of serial

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killers and their crimes, and cannibalism off page,

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alluded to. It's extensive. It's extensive.

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The thing of it is, we're going to get to it a little bit later.

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But I think that this author prides herself on being very progressive.

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And it annoys the shit outta me because I

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don't think that she is quite as progressive as she thinks that she is.

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Well, no, I have no. It feels very pandering to me, but it's

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fine. I can understand how all of these things can absolutely be a content warning.

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And I appreciate her thoughtfulness.

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I really liked this book. I know that I just said those mean things about

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Nevesa Allen, but I wanna start off by saying I really liked this book.

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I just have some issues with the writing. And we're

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going to talk about it. She is being ostracized on the Internet right now because

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of the audiobook narrator that she chose, apparently. I know.

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And I. And also people are pissed that Lauren

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is a sex worker. Yeah. Which pisses me off. And I literally couldn't care

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less about either of those things. No, literally. Like the fact that Lauren.

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Her book. Yeah. The fact that Lauren is a sex worker is probably one of

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the highlights of this book for me. So. I don't know. I do want to

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read the dedication. Yeah. The dedication in this book was for

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everybody. Ready to play? I was ready to play after this book.

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Yeah. But then we didn't play. What do you mean?

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I don't feel that there was much playing in this book.

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What book did you read? I don't know.

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Okay, well, we'll get there.

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I just. I think I was jaded. I got big

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mad. Mm. And honestly, didn't super get over it.

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Shoot. And then you just blacked out the whole book and forgot all of

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the sexiness. I was too mad. Oh, sure. Okay. You know. Yeah. And you're still

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mad. Okay, here we go. She's all amped up. Go for it.

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Well. And I was picturing, like I told you, if you guys have seen while

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you were sleeping, I was picturing Joe Jr.

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Because, like, an Italian short man. And the

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thing of it is, is. Like, I would hold it against you because Nevesa Allen

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writes every single thought and excruciating

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detail to every single thing that she puts into

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the book. So it's easy to miss how beautiful this man is.

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It's just lost in all of the superfluous detail that she adds to

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everything. Oh, God, he's so, so attractive.

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The way that he is written is so attractive. He's got these,

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like, high cheekbones, angular face, full lips.

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Are you. Do you. Deep eyes. I. Oh, my God.

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I am it. It's gonna. We're gonna Talk about it multiple times.

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We are gonna open a little differently this episode by introducing our characters

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and then talking a little bit about their history before we discuss

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the storyline. Because I think in a lot of the books that we read,

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they're meeting each other and so it's like more relevant to kind of

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go along the storyline as it goes. But in this case,

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these characters know each other and they have history and it's important and

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it's an important aspect of the book. So we don't find out though, in the

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book. You don't find out until like a quarter of the way through the book

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what happened with them. We don't get the full details, but we get

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high level of what happened. You know right away that he did something when

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they were kids to fuck her over. Yes. We don't know what it was until,

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like I said, like a quarter of the way in. Well, we kind of do.

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They do kind of talk about it. Yeah, well, they don't like tell you exactly.

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They don't tell the exact. Oh, I remember because I

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text you. I'm sorry, ma' am. You imagined him as Joe Jr

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from While we were sleeping. So you clearly don't remember. All right.

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I'm fairly certain that you read his height and basically

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just was like out. Italian short. I was out. Our two

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main characters are Junior, AKA Nico and Lauren,

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AKA Lo. Junior is making his

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reappearance from lights out. He is Ali's eldest cousin,

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the junior to her uncle who is a high ranking

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member of the mob. Junior's only employment is as his father's

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general and he essentially carries out all of his father's dirty work.

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He and Lauren grew up in the air quotes old neighborhood

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together and dated briefly in high school until an incident with

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Lauren's father broke them up. After taking Lauren's virginity

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and being discovered by Lauren's father who beats the shit out of Junior,

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he returns home only to be confronted by his own father who

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tells him that for Lauren's own good, he needs to leave her alone. And Junior

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obeys, promptly ghosting Lauren. Lauren,

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a bookworm and fan of fanfic, had taken to

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writing fantasies about her and Junior in her diary.

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In the midst of all this happening between Junior and his father, a girl

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from her school who she thought was her friend, basically Regina

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Georged her. She stole her diary, made copies

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of the fanfic, and then spread it out around the

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school. Junior trying to deny any involvement with Lauren,

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basically just kind of let her flail and just said

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like she's crazy. Never had anything to do with her. He didn't call her crazy.

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He never called her crazy. He just said that he did not have anything to

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do with her. Long story short, it makes Lauren look like a stalker. Everybody starts

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calling her a stalker. They start. They relentlessly bully her. They relentlessly bully

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her, and she ends up having to switch schools as a result of it.

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And I was really mad when I found that out. And again, I think maybe

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I'm, like, jaded from my childhood because I was bullied. I was

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so. She had. She was bullied so bad, she had to change schools,

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and he was a part of that, and I couldn't get over it. I was

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so mad. And again, we don't find that out right away. Yeah. So then once

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we did find it out, I was just over it, and I was mad at

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him. She didn't have to change schools because of him. He denied it.

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He was like, no, I didn't do that. That's fanfic. Apparently, he didn't call her

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Crystal. It was fanfic. He had. They hadn't. They hadn't done some of the things

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that were in there. Yes, some of it. They had. So she was detailing some

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of their encounters, but then she also had some fantasies in there, so it

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was fanfic. Okay. We knew we were gonna fight about this bug.

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Well, the thing of it is, is that for all of the issues that

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there are in this relationship between these two,

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he is. I mean, he's pretty emotionally intelligent for the

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most part, and I kind of thought he was a bitch, so. Okay. Yeah,

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I. Literally. Multiple times. Yeah. Because I know communication makes you

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cringe. Well, the good news is that now Lauren is

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an incredibly successful cam girl.

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She works on this book's version

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of OnlyFans, an app called Me for you.

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Despite the fallout between her and Junior, Junior is

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still in love with Lo and has been basically pining after her

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for the last decade. And when she starts her Cam

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for you page, he is her first subscriber, but she doesn't know

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that it's him. We're meeting them, like I said, over a decade

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later. To Lo's knowledge, they have not seen each other that

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entire time. And we learn early on that Junior only has

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two goals, and that is to get out from under his father's thumb and to

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pick things up with Lauren where they left off physical descriptions.

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Junior is 30. He's the oldest brother. As you mentioned,

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he's 5 10. He has dark hair, green eyes.

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I literally made a note when he describes

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himself as 5 10. I literally underlined it and wrote

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RIP because I knew that Nicole was going to be fully out.

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No, I know. I have to go back to the fact that you are five

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feet tall. This man is almost a full foot

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taller than you. You are. Oh, my God.

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I know. Oh, my God. I swear to God. You.

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I think that you read that and you just blacked out of this book,

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because if you. If he was six foot tall, I don't think that you

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would have hated him as much. I fully believe that. Your face

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right now tells me that I'm right. I read him also as a bully and

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I. But that's funny, because there's other books that we've read where I don't mind

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the bully. I don't know what it was. All right, well, anyways,

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I'll go ahead. And make your points. I know you wrote them all down.

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No. So beautiful.

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He does have, like, broad shoulders, which is, again, why I'm thinking I was

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picturing Joe Jr. He just. He reads stocky to me.

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He doesn't read 510 tall,

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angular. 510 reads stocky to you.

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Okay. In Parks and Rec, Ron Swanson is described as having a stocky

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build, and he's also described as being five' ten. I don't think that they

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ever describe him as stocky. You picked out that he was stocky. He has

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broad shoulders. Yeah, he has. Yeah. No, I know. I read it as stocky,

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but that's just. I don't know, because you heard five' ten and so you were

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like. You hear circus, and you think little old lady. Okay,

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well, I'm just saying. And I had a big problem with that, so. Okay,

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fine. I just wanna know, did you bank that? You knew I was gonna bring

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it up, so you were like, I'm gonna remember that. And make sure that she

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remembers that she thought that Rose was a little old lady.

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Okay. Yep. And see? All right,

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Lauren is 29. She has brown eyes and

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dark hair. She has a button nose. She has a gap between her

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two front teeth. And she is slim but curvy. She's five foot.

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So, like, Junior is still tall for her. She's full,

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figured, kind of. She's very curvy.

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But it does describe her as being slim, like, petite. Yeah.

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Apparently her breasts are, like, enormous. She's giving Genevieve.

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Yeah. Although apparently, like, Genevieve, I think,

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is supposedly plus size. Genevieve is supposed to be plus size.

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Yeah. I imagine Genevieve more my size. She. Sure. But because

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you're picturing yourself with Rowan. Yeah, probably.

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Yeah. Yeah. I would look so good with him. Yeah. Honestly,

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I have to reinforce here that despite Nicole's

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description that Junior is described multiple time by multiple

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people in this book as being super gorgeous, many,

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many women and even a man in the book describe him as very,

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very good looking. Like, almost like untouchable good looking.

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So I just have to reinforce that. I sent a.

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I know you're not supposed to use AI whatever, but I sent an AI

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video to Nicole earlier today of. I reposted it on our TikTok.

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Oh my God. I literally just. I literally just

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messaged Nicole and was like, yeah, he's gonna be for me. Yeah.

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So if he looked like that, I mean, I guess I'm not as mad

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about it. I think it was just like in my head I got. I read

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5, 10 and I pictured Joe Jr. And I was out. Now you know exactly

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how I feel. When I was reading about Rose and Fion, do you remember how

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mad you were at me for not liking that book because of them. To be

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fair though, they're stinky. I can smell them even now as we're talking about it.

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Rose and Fion were stinky. I just can't get it out of my nose.

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It's in there forever. All right, well,

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at the open of our book, we meet Junior on the eve of his

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birthday as he takes care of one of his father's jobs, making someone

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disappear. He is watching a car sink below the surface of a large river.

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The owner of the car, Lauren's dad. To him,

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this disappearance removes one of the hurdles standing

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between him and Lo. That night he goes home,

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does what he does every night. He visits the me for you

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app to sext Lauren. In this, like, initial,

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like scene where we get to know him, he makes a comment about how his

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idiot cousin killed somebody. And all I did was just underlie and said,

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couldn't have said it better myself. I love that he also thinks she's an idiot.

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And honestly, we learn like really early on in this, in the book

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that they're engaged and them like even like them like sharing the engagement.

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I'm like, they're both fucking idiots. They're just both big dumb idiots walking around

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bumping into things. But Junior and Josh are good friends now. Yes. Which I

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really didn't see coming. They didn't read as friendly and

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lights out. I mean, I don't think that Junior reads as friendly at all.

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I don't think that it comes natural to him to make friends. And Josh

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is a very emotionally intelligent guy and there are multiple times in this

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book where Josh is, like, getting to the heart of something and

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Junior is kind of like, oh, shit, this guy is gonna,

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this SAP is gonna, like, make me talk about my emotions.

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In the next chapter, we are introduced to Lo through

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her pov and I have so, so,

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so, so, so, so, so many thoughts. This is. It's one chapter.

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It's not very long. I have a million thoughts about it.

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The entire scene about her roommates is

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the one where they're chasing the dog for the sex toy.

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Yeah, I read the whole thing, trying to figure out

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what type of important element

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I was supposed to be drawing from them. And it was the

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most pointless, worthless, boring fucking scene.

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I hated it. I got to the end of it and I underlined it

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and was like, useless, worthless. I hate the way that this author writes.

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I don't know why she feels the need to include so,

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so, so, so, so, so, so much detail. And is it

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okay if I keep going or did you want to say something? Well, I have

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thoughts as well about this scene. Okay, you can keep going. One of my biggest

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issues, and the thing is I've never seen this talked about online, so maybe I'm

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like, completely, totally fucking off base here, but this author

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uses bipoc and LGBTQIA community people as

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like one dimensional token characters.

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And I don't fucking like that. Sure. In this

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book, her two roommates, one of them is a curvy

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Asian woman. She literally describes her that way. And a

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non binary person. And the

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way that this author uses these people as, like,

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props, it makes me so uncomfortable.

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I legitimately hated reading about it. And this is the thing.

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I love the idea of diversifying the books that we read.

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But at the same time, all of her characters are one

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dimensional. And she thinks, because as an author, she puts

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in all of this, like, she just like info dumps on you. She just

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like, is like, well. And so then I grew. I grew and I

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grew up. And I was a cat. I was a Catholic schoolgirl. And I was

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all this misogyny all around me and being shamed for sex. And now

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I'm gonna empower other women. And it's like she thinks that she's really doing something

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as an author when she does that. Like, somebody somewhere was like, nevesa Allen,

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if you're gonna write a book, you have to make sure that you have something

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in there that motivates the main character. And so instead of us discovering it through

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learning about the person, she just fucking info dumps it on a page. And then

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she doesn't pay attention to it at all because it's not written into the character.

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So she spends all this time here, and then we find out that her dad

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has gone missing and she never brings it up again.

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No, she doesn't care. She doesn't care. It's not. It doesn't even come up.

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And it's like we don't even really find out about how. Like her childhood.

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As to why she doesn't care. Her sister's in the book. We don't really find

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out much about her relationship with her sister. Yeah, I also.

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You knew. I hated Taylor. I hated. And I

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thought I was gonna like her. Her introduction I did think was funny because

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she's also a cam girl and she. Somebody requested anal play. So she needs her

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butthole waxed and bleached. And she asks for help. And Ryan is like,

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I have to film it. I'm out. And I thought that was a cute little

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funny introduction to her. I hate her. I haven't

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hated a character this much in a very long time. And I really hate her.

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I hate how she's written. I hate what she's supposed to be doing. Yeah.

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So I do think I feel the same way. Because everything she did, I was

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like. I get. It's like this little, like, angel and devil thing, but you're a

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shitty friend. You're a shitty person. Lauren thinks you're so great.

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And I hated reading about her. Interesting. If she gets her own book, I'm out.

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I don't know that I could read it. Oh, my God. Interesting. I hated her

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so much. We'll get. I. Oh, I have quotes. Oh, my.

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I have her fucking quotes in here. Because I was so annoyed.

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I think, to me, Taylor was written very much like all of the other.

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Yeah, girl. Those types of friendships that I don't like,

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where it feels very superficial and, like, not well developed at

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all. And I agree with you. I didn't hate Taylor.

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But I also was just kind of like, why are these people still in this

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book? What contribution are they making to the storyline?

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Oh, none. Side characters in these books don't make any contribution. And I.

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Again, I have to go back to. I swear, she's just setting them up to

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create their own book, their own spinoffs for each of these people.

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And it's like. It's just. I don't know. It's not my

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favorite. I am not a fan. But you loved this book still.

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Yeah. Once we get a little bit deeper into the relationship,

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I really, really like Low and Junior.

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I like Them together. I like the way they interact with each other. The sex

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scenes are so good. We get a

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scene here right away, early on. There's no

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playing happen, according to Nicole, but we're less than 20 pages in here.

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So we get a scene here where Junior has ordered a custom video

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from London, and she has

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finished editing it, sended it over to him, and he

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watches the video. And in the video, Lo is,

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like, talking to him. And we learned something about Lo that

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I really like, which is that she gets to know all of her subs,

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and then she records the videos, sort of approaching,

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like, the way that she does all of her kind of, like, dirty talk,

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knowing how that person is. So she'll

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say she likes something, and then he's, like, watching it, jacking off.

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And he's like, quit teasing me. And then she'll say something like,

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I'm patient. Like, yeah. And she. Because she knows.

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And so she's good at it. He's so good at it. And he feels very,

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like, connected to her when he's watching her. How did you feel like the

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sex scenes were written? You don't like her writing, but do you like how she

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writes a sex scene? The thing of it is, is that she lets the sex

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scene be what they are. There isn't any of this, like,

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she's not info dumping on me. There's a couple of times where she does get

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a little bit, like, lost in unnecessary details.

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But for the most part, I mean, Junior goes

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to church. Apparently, it's for the first time in a really long time.

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And his intention is to intercept. Hello.

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Yeah. He literally says that he's had enough of the videos and he needs to

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see her in person. So I do enjoy a man being so

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unhinged that he has to see her. For the

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record, at this point, we don't know what happened with them. I wasn't mad yet.

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So when this church scene happens,

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I wasn't that mad. And right after this scene is where the

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book loses me. He joins his mom and one of his brothers

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for the service. And after the service, he has his brother stand guard

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while he waits for Lauren outside of the bathroom.

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And again, I have to go to the way that this man is described because

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we get Lauren's perspective, and she describes

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him as, like, standing against the wall, like, one leg

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bent at the knee, like, pushed up against the wall, and his kind of head,

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like, tipped back. I could. Yeah, I could

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picture that. God, I Literally. The way that she described it, I was

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like, oh, my God. I don't know how she manages

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to do it, but she's like, I'm just gonna power through and pretend I don't

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see him. She's. Oh, yeah. She's like, I tried to keep my voice as neutral

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as possible and just said, junior.

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I was like, I don't know how you would possibly do that.

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I would have walked right up to him and thrown. Well,

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especially. One thing that I do really like is this, like, nostalgia aspect.

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I like when they were together in, like,

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high school, like, fumbling around each other. And then it's

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years later now, a decade later, and they're kind of getting back into things.

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I like that level of. I guess lust

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between them is really hot to read. It's sexy.

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Nothing happens in the scene. He. So he. She basically

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tries to, like, brush past him, and he reaches out and grabs her and

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then, like, pins her against the wall with her. Then nothing happens,

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but he pins her arms above her head against the wall. There's just,

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like, a little bit of banter and then low kind of like, she's like she's

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possessed. She's been possessed by a slutty nun. A slutty nun.

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And she needs to be exercised. And. And she's like, father,

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Son, Holy Ghost while he's got her hands pinned above her head. And he's like,

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what are you saying? That you need to be exercised of me? And then she

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says something about, like, how she's distracted by how he's pretty and he's like,

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oh, so you think I'm pretty? And she's like, I don't want anything to do

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with you. But she's, like, leaning her pelvis into him, and he's like,

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is this how you treat everybody that you don't want anything to do with?

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Like. And the banter, I think, is. I really like the banter a lot.

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Yeah. I like the way that they communicate with one another, with one another,

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and nothing happens because she gets her bearings about her. And then she tries to

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knee him in the balls and storms away. Still,

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I think a sexy scene. Unfortunately for Lo,

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the damage has been done because the spark between the two of them has been

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reignited. And that night, Lo decides that she's

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gonna go to the members only sex club, Velvet.

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I did really like this. I love a sex club. This sex club sounds

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so great. But first she went home and she told her roommates about,

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like, what happened with Junior and fucking Taylor is just like.

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She's dumping her childhood trauma. She's so. It was so terrible. She had

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to Change schools, she's telling him. And then Taylor is like, okay,

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but that's really hot. And then starts

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chanting hate sex. I wanted to

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pull my hair out and smack her. You are such a shitty friend.

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This girl is trauma dumping on you. And you're like, fuck him.

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Just do it. Fuck you. Oh, my God. I was so,

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so fired up about it. It's very clear to everybody

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in this room that she's attracted to him and wants to have sex with him.

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So I just want to make that point. I also also fuck

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Taylor because I also didn't like her. But, like, just so that we're really clear,

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Nicole's view of this book is very skewed. Based off

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of our slide talk. It is not. It is.

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When Junior stopped her at church, his ulterior motive was

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to put a tracker in her purse. And he decides to make

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an appearance once he realizes where she is. So he doesn't know that she owns

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the club, but he knows that it's a size club. He weasels

441
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,820
his way in there, somehow gets a members, gets a membership. It's a members only

442
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,900
club with a fake id. And he finds her in the boyer

443
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,100
room right before the scene is about to begin and kind

444
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,660
of muscles his way. I do like a jealous man,

445
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,180
though. That part was for me. I was still so mad at him, though.

446
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,260
But again, I have to go back to, like, I don't like a jealous man.

447
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,620
I like this level of control. He didn't

448
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:37,660
just go in and, like, grab the guy by the arm and be like,

449
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,420
tug him out of the chair. He kind of went over and was just,

450
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,940
like, super, like, nice and, like, super, like,

451
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,830
smiley and was like, hey, I think you're in my chair. And the guy

452
00:28:48,330 --> 00:28:51,670
was like, what? And he's like, yeah, no problem. Like, yep. And then kind

453
00:28:52,170 --> 00:28:55,390
of starts to, like. I would have preferred if he would have ripped him out

454
00:28:55,890 --> 00:28:59,510
of it. Well, they're sitting front row and center when

455
00:29:00,070 --> 00:29:03,270
the people come out to

456
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:07,430
start the scene. She's very tense. She doesn't

457
00:29:07,930 --> 00:29:12,600
understand why he's there. She assumes, based on his,

458
00:29:13,100 --> 00:29:16,200
like, mafia background and all of the.

459
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,760
What's it called? Misogyny that's kind of, like, ingrained in, like,

460
00:29:20,260 --> 00:29:23,440
mafia culture and, like, all those things that he's gonna embarrass her. And this is

461
00:29:23,940 --> 00:29:27,320
her club. Like, she has an ownership stake at this club, so it's really important

462
00:29:27,820 --> 00:29:31,040
to her how she appears when she's there. They kind of

463
00:29:31,540 --> 00:29:35,800
have some back and forth, and Junior apologizes to her for

464
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,800
everything. So not just for the church. But he says,

465
00:29:39,300 --> 00:29:43,240
like, for everything that happened. And there are many times

466
00:29:43,740 --> 00:29:47,480
in this book where Lo is very confused because she's not expecting

467
00:29:47,980 --> 00:29:51,040
that. So when he does do that, it sort of catches her off guard.

468
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,280
It's starting to get kind of, like, tense between

469
00:29:55,780 --> 00:29:59,320
them. And the tension in the scene is. It is. I have a note that

470
00:29:59,820 --> 00:30:02,880
says, fine. I would probably forgive him, even though he's a bitch.

471
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,880
It was a good scene. The couple enter the room,

472
00:30:07,570 --> 00:30:10,930
and Junior realizes that they are a real life couple.

473
00:30:11,250 --> 00:30:15,210
So he's thinking that this is going. To be some kind of, like, paid actor

474
00:30:15,710 --> 00:30:18,890
porn? Yes. I think he's a little taken aback when he realizes that

475
00:30:19,390 --> 00:30:22,290
they're, like, telling. Each other that they love each other and they're married.

476
00:30:23,090 --> 00:30:26,970
I would go to this. This is hot. I would go to this

477
00:30:27,470 --> 00:30:31,170
too. Real people getting off is so sexy.

478
00:30:31,250 --> 00:30:35,180
And they're in a, like. They're in a room with, like, basically stupid stadium

479
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,300
style seating. I think it's still small and intimate.

480
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,900
It's not like there's like hundreds of people, but they're kind of stacked in their

481
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,660
seats. And Junior and Low are sitting front row

482
00:30:47,140 --> 00:30:50,540
in this room. Maybe you and I should start

483
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,340
a sex club, because it sounds great.

484
00:30:55,300 --> 00:30:57,860
Half these books that we read have sex clubs.

485
00:30:58,340 --> 00:31:01,670
They're different levels. I do. I like the

486
00:31:02,170 --> 00:31:04,430
praise type sex club where there's different rooms for different things.

487
00:31:05,550 --> 00:31:08,910
I feel like this is for me. Are there sex

488
00:31:09,410 --> 00:31:13,030
clubs in Minnesota, you mean? Yeah, I know there's that one. But it's not

489
00:31:13,530 --> 00:31:17,870
really a sex club. Yeah, I want sex. And Junior

490
00:31:18,370 --> 00:31:21,950
does too. Junior liked it. And that. That's a big turn on.

491
00:31:22,430 --> 00:31:26,230
He gets real turned on by that. So the

492
00:31:26,730 --> 00:31:30,190
man and his wife come out. They get onto the dais. There's a

493
00:31:30,690 --> 00:31:34,150
chair. He sits his wife on the chair. And then

494
00:31:34,650 --> 00:31:37,830
he, like, begins teasing her until

495
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:41,590
eventually starting to go down on her. And then he brings her to the bed

496
00:31:42,090 --> 00:31:45,550
and begins to have sex with her. And Lowell looks over at Junior

497
00:31:46,050 --> 00:31:49,110
and Junior is like, riveted. Respectfully.

498
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:52,470
She, like, she looks down. She can tell that he's

499
00:31:52,970 --> 00:31:56,470
hard. He's watching so intently. She can

500
00:31:56,970 --> 00:32:00,190
tell that he is invested in the experience.

501
00:32:00,990 --> 00:32:04,470
The people around them are now. And he can kind of

502
00:32:04,970 --> 00:32:08,110
hear all of the sounds. And both

503
00:32:08,350 --> 00:32:11,630
he and Lo are on stimulation overload.

504
00:32:11,790 --> 00:32:15,190
He even describes, and again, this. I have to go back to, like, I really

505
00:32:15,690 --> 00:32:18,910
like him. He describes not just being physically stimulated,

506
00:32:19,410 --> 00:32:22,380
but also emotionally and mentally stimulated. And I just really,

507
00:32:23,020 --> 00:32:26,380
really liked that. As the scene starts to finish up,

508
00:32:26,620 --> 00:32:30,220
Lo decides that she is going to make a break for it.

509
00:32:30,540 --> 00:32:34,380
And she goes out the door and down a hallway and out an emergency exit

510
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,980
sign. And Junior gives chase, telling her to run.

511
00:32:38,220 --> 00:32:40,940
But it was barely like a chase scene.

512
00:32:41,980 --> 00:32:45,900
They just met each other, Nicole. They literally just

513
00:32:45,980 --> 00:32:49,740
got back together after 10 years. They're not even together. Zade would never.

514
00:32:50,060 --> 00:32:52,770
Oh, my God, the unhealthy.

515
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,640
He basically pulls her onto his lap. They're like,

516
00:32:58,140 --> 00:33:01,760
sitting on this, like, fire escape or something. And he

517
00:33:02,260 --> 00:33:05,320
basically pulls her on her onto his lap and starts to finger her.

518
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,320
And as she orgasms, they are interrupted

519
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,960
by her roommates who are presumably there to

520
00:33:13,460 --> 00:33:17,240
save her. And I have a little note here because speaking

521
00:33:17,740 --> 00:33:20,560
of having Dave hit it from behind and kissing you on the shoulder.

522
00:33:21,060 --> 00:33:22,820
Yeah. He's like, do you want me to get rid of them? And she's like,

523
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,540
no, they're my roommates and whatever. And so she's like, I'm okay. And she told

524
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,020
him to go away. And then she says, I don't forgive you. And then he

525
00:33:30,340 --> 00:33:33,540
runs, kisses up her shoulders and says, well, I guess I'm just going

526
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,339
to keep asking for forgiveness. Oh, I was going to say, yeah, no,

527
00:33:37,839 --> 00:33:40,860
that would gross me out too. But no. Are you kid.

528
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,020
Oh, God, you are. Maybe I need therapy.

529
00:33:45,940 --> 00:33:49,220
Over the course of the next chapters, we learn a couple of things. Number one,

530
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,580
that the landlord for Velvet keeps raising the rent.

531
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,720
It really difficult for them to run their business. And two,

532
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,960
that over the years, Junior has been doing things to protect

533
00:34:01,460 --> 00:34:05,920
Low and make her life easier. The girl who had

534
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,000
made copies of Lo Junior had

535
00:34:10,500 --> 00:34:14,200
drugs planted on her and got her in trouble. And she ended up,

536
00:34:14,700 --> 00:34:18,000
like, going away, like, to prison. And the principal,

537
00:34:18,500 --> 00:34:21,960
who had done nothing about it, he also got him in trouble. Yeah.

538
00:34:22,460 --> 00:34:26,190
Like set him up in a car accident. Yeah. And then when he had,

539
00:34:26,690 --> 00:34:29,910
like, went to the church the first time to see her, all of, like,

540
00:34:30,410 --> 00:34:33,350
the little old ladies were kind of, like, staring at her and shaming her because

541
00:34:33,850 --> 00:34:36,990
everybody knows what she does. And so he found each of those

542
00:34:37,490 --> 00:34:41,030
little old ladies cars and slashed their tires. And there's just, like, some other things

543
00:34:41,530 --> 00:34:45,870
he fixed. Like, a broken mirror that somebody had. Sideswiped and been

544
00:34:46,370 --> 00:34:49,420
fixing everything. Yeah. Life, which, like, I do like.

545
00:34:49,660 --> 00:34:53,500
Yeah, I do too. He. There's nobody should be fixing things for me. Dave doesn't

546
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,420
fix shit. Oh, no. Yikes.

547
00:34:57,580 --> 00:35:01,100
He hires people to do it. Sure. What a handy man

548
00:35:01,580 --> 00:35:05,060
who, if I get sideswiped, he can fix my mirror or

549
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,780
he can murder a man. I don't care. Oh, wow. Oh,

550
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,740
my God. That's all Dave. Get the vasectomy. Get the vasectomy,

551
00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:16,840
Dave. Again, you're not going to be able to do

552
00:35:17,340 --> 00:35:20,680
any murdering, so just get the damn vasectomy. Well, the other

553
00:35:21,180 --> 00:35:23,680
thing, too, is, like. And I think this is the one thing where I do

554
00:35:24,180 --> 00:35:28,160
feel like it's a little bit of an overstep, is that Low is working

555
00:35:28,660 --> 00:35:31,120
to change legislation to protect sex workers.

556
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,200
And Junior has basically been,

557
00:35:35,700 --> 00:35:39,920
like, finding out dirt on them or their families to get them to

558
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,460
enact some of the legislation that she wants to

559
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,500
go into effect. And that would be the one thing where I'd be like,

560
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,260
I thought I did this on my own. Yeah. And then to find that out.

561
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,140
She is pretty upset about that one. Yeah, but. But it's realistic because in real

562
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,020
life, people don't do anything without a little push. True. That's so true.

563
00:35:58,740 --> 00:36:03,260
Junior comes up with an idea. He reveals

564
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,260
himself to Lauren as her first subscriber, who is

565
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,770
also her favorite subscriber. Psych. And he

566
00:36:12,270 --> 00:36:15,970
sends her a picture from her diary, because when he planted

567
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:19,770
the drugs on the woman, he found the diary and took it

568
00:36:20,270 --> 00:36:24,210
and kept it for himself. And it's a scene,

569
00:36:24,770 --> 00:36:27,890
One of her fanfic scenes, that she had written,

570
00:36:28,210 --> 00:36:32,130
wanting to try out. And he invites

571
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:36,210
her to join her at the location described in the

572
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:39,970
journal entry, which is an arcade. She does.

573
00:36:40,290 --> 00:36:43,570
The arcade has since been shut down, so they have the

574
00:36:44,070 --> 00:36:47,610
place to themselves. And her fantasy was to go down on him in the

575
00:36:48,110 --> 00:36:51,609
photo booth. Can we. Oh, when was the last time you were in a photo

576
00:36:52,109 --> 00:36:55,410
booth? Oh, the logistics of this. I. Yes,

577
00:36:55,970 --> 00:36:59,130
yes. I remember. I mean, me and Pagel. Yeah.

578
00:36:59,630 --> 00:37:02,790
Barely fit in a photo booth. Yeah. They're tiny. And he

579
00:37:03,290 --> 00:37:06,430
somehow gets between her legs. Well, because he flips the scripts

580
00:37:06,930 --> 00:37:10,510
on her and he goes down on her instead. Which. Good. Yes, good.

581
00:37:10,590 --> 00:37:13,950
Yeah. I had the exact same thought. I was like, how does that

582
00:37:14,450 --> 00:37:18,110
happen in those booths? Yeah, absolutely not. Especially this, like, big, giant man

583
00:37:18,610 --> 00:37:22,674
that he apparently is. He's not a big giant man. He's 5

584
00:37:22,746 --> 00:37:26,190
10. She's a totally normal size for a very respectful.

585
00:37:26,350 --> 00:37:29,640
Yeah. Oh, my God. They're gonna hate me.

586
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,400
I don't think so. There are a lot of people who didn't like this book,

587
00:37:33,900 --> 00:37:37,080
so there are probably more people who agree with you. Than me, but I'm pretty

588
00:37:37,580 --> 00:37:41,560
mad about his height. You can be tall and unattractive. You can't be

589
00:37:42,060 --> 00:37:44,600
short and attractive. You can't be short,

590
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:46,440
period.

591
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,640
Shoot. I think that short men have better face cards.

592
00:37:54,140 --> 00:37:56,840
I'VE said it before, and I'll say it a million more times on this podcast.

593
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,480
Short men are more attractive, period, 100%.

594
00:38:00,980 --> 00:38:05,320
Because short men have to try a little harder. 5, 10 is not short.

595
00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:09,640
I love that you think that that's short. That's not short. And again,

596
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,880
I just feel like short men have better personalities.

597
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,320
They're funnier, they're more attractive. There are so many

598
00:38:17,820 --> 00:38:21,720
better things about a short man. And honestly, as a short woman,

599
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,680
I like a man having easier access to my breasts when I'm

600
00:38:26,180 --> 00:38:29,400
on top. Or even being able to do it standing up. Yes. Unless I'm in

601
00:38:29,900 --> 00:38:32,840
heels, Dave. And I can't do it where I'm standing. We have to be,

602
00:38:33,340 --> 00:38:37,080
like, laying, or. I have to be, like, hoisted over. Something because it doesn't

603
00:38:37,580 --> 00:38:40,080
work, which I am missing out on. I will say that.

604
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,200
But I don't even have to get on my knees to suck his dick.

605
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,720
I just crouch slightly, just bend my head down

606
00:38:47,220 --> 00:38:50,880
a little bit. I don't have to go far.

607
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,440
I cannot picture things in my head, but somehow I can picture that.

608
00:38:58,140 --> 00:39:01,340
That's amazing. All right. Well,

609
00:39:01,740 --> 00:39:04,860
he goes down on her to orgasm, and when they finish up,

610
00:39:05,020 --> 00:39:09,100
she invites him to another scene

611
00:39:09,340 --> 00:39:12,860
happening that Friday night at Velvet. He agrees,

612
00:39:13,100 --> 00:39:17,420
but his plans to show are ruined when his father calls

613
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,020
an emergency dinner. I hate his dad running

614
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,520
late. He shows up to the club to find low chatting

615
00:39:27,020 --> 00:39:31,000
and flirting with the man from the previous night and a woman, and he decides

616
00:39:31,500 --> 00:39:35,080
that he's going to stake his claim on her, which Nicole would

617
00:39:35,580 --> 00:39:38,440
normally like, but he's 5 10, so she doesn't like this. I wanted it.

618
00:39:38,940 --> 00:39:41,200
It needed to be a little more violent for me to, like. He just goes

619
00:39:41,700 --> 00:39:45,120
up and kisses her. It's not. I want him to remove the other man.

620
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,800
They literally describe how the mask is, like, digging into

621
00:39:49,300 --> 00:39:52,950
his face because he's aggressively kissing her. Okay. Nope,

622
00:39:53,450 --> 00:39:57,110
it's fine. They join a different room for another

623
00:39:57,190 --> 00:40:00,710
scene, but this time sitting strategically

624
00:40:00,790 --> 00:40:04,550
in the back of the room. And I have to be very honest with

625
00:40:05,050 --> 00:40:08,070
you, the back of the room is for me. Yep. I want to be in

626
00:40:08,570 --> 00:40:11,870
the back. I want to watch everybody else, too. Yes. Other people getting turned

627
00:40:12,370 --> 00:40:15,270
on and getting office for me. Yes. Oh, my God. So much.

628
00:40:15,910 --> 00:40:20,060
A man and woman get onto the daisy. The woman has

629
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,100
a chain attached between her nipple piercings and

630
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,260
her genital piercings. And the man has a Jacob's ladder.

631
00:40:28,500 --> 00:40:32,780
Initially, she gives him head. And this scene is very sexy

632
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:37,420
because she's basically, like, taking one

633
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,220
piercing at a time and she's very descriptive.

634
00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:44,340
It's very descriptive. Yes. She's giving him head.

635
00:40:44,770 --> 00:40:48,530
And then he'll say, like, yep, take one more. And she'll like, take another

636
00:40:49,030 --> 00:40:52,570
piercing. And I just. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I have chills.

637
00:40:53,070 --> 00:40:57,010
She describes the noise, too. It's so fucking

638
00:40:57,090 --> 00:41:00,610
good. They are eventually joined by their

639
00:41:01,110 --> 00:41:04,570
third, a woman who begins to go down on the first woman

640
00:41:05,070 --> 00:41:08,570
while she gives the man head. Junior and Low are kind

641
00:41:09,070 --> 00:41:12,740
of starting to, like, we're gonna do this, right? They're getting a real turn

642
00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:15,940
on it. Yeah, they're. They're not, like, saying it out loud, but they're kind of

643
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,660
both, like, feeling each other out. Lo is like, well, she can tell. How turned

644
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,780
on he is. So she, like, reaches over and yes. Touches his thigh, and he's

645
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,220
fine with that. And then she, like, goes for his dick, and he doesn't stop

646
00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:30,900
her. So she shakes it out. Yes, it is sexy. It's so

647
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,940
sexy. She, like, slips off of his lap as

648
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:39,540
everyone around has now begun to play. And Junior

649
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,780
is like. He's, like, looking around, and he's realizing that nobody else.

650
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,980
Because in his mind, he's like, am I seriously about to get head in front

651
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,780
of all these people? And because he's never done anything like this before.

652
00:41:52,100 --> 00:41:55,140
Have you ever done anything like this, like, in a movie theater? Oh,

653
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:59,260
yes, absolutely. It was during the live action Jungle

654
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,780
Book. We were the only ones in the movie theater. I was gonna say.

655
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,590
What about that movie? It was boring Turned. Yeah, it.

656
00:42:06,990 --> 00:42:10,470
Well, I live in a state of perpetual turned on ness.

657
00:42:10,970 --> 00:42:13,870
Oh, my God. I can relate so much. I know you can.

658
00:42:14,670 --> 00:42:16,670
I'm so nervous. We found each other. I know.

659
00:42:19,789 --> 00:42:22,750
Truly, nobody can ever relate to Melissa.

660
00:42:23,230 --> 00:42:26,390
Sure. That woman is the horniest person I've ever met. I know. Which is so

661
00:42:26,890 --> 00:42:30,310
surprising because she's never had fruit. I know, I know. Oh,

662
00:42:30,810 --> 00:42:33,910
my God. Yeah, no, the movie was really boring, and it just

663
00:42:34,410 --> 00:42:36,470
kind of felt like. You know what else would be fun? Did you sit on

664
00:42:36,970 --> 00:42:40,270
his lap? Straddle? Okay. Yep. I've given head.

665
00:42:40,590 --> 00:42:44,070
Yeah. In a movie theater. Not had full sex. I've given head

666
00:42:44,570 --> 00:42:47,550
in a movie theater, too, but I think I want to say it was during

667
00:42:48,050 --> 00:42:51,230
stepbrothers. I know I cannot for the life of. I want to say. Maybe it

668
00:42:51,730 --> 00:42:54,710
was Nacho Libre. I don't remember what movie it was. It was an old one

669
00:42:55,210 --> 00:42:57,630
like that. Yeah, that was like, one of those movies where it was like,

670
00:42:58,290 --> 00:43:01,610
oh, you want to see that? Okay, maybe I'll just suck your

671
00:43:02,110 --> 00:43:05,010
dick. Yeah. Something for you.

672
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:09,050
Something for me? Yeah. You know? Yeah. And getting a man turned

673
00:43:09,550 --> 00:43:12,850
on in a public place is. Yeah, that's for me. Yeah. Oh,

674
00:43:13,889 --> 00:43:17,170
interesting. But I like when men are like,

675
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:21,450
unwound. Yeah. And that does that. I don't think I've ever

676
00:43:21,950 --> 00:43:25,330
really thought about it, but I think I like it too. Yeah. Right. Looking back

677
00:43:25,830 --> 00:43:29,890
on my life, I do think that there have been many, many parties,

678
00:43:30,210 --> 00:43:34,770
social events where I've been really, really unnecessarily

679
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:38,410
aggressive in hopes of them being like, all right, we gotta get the out of

680
00:43:38,910 --> 00:43:42,810
here. Yep. Or then they get super turned on. I'm like,

681
00:43:43,310 --> 00:43:44,130
no, we can't go right now.

682
00:43:48,290 --> 00:43:51,570
That's because you're evil and I'm not. That's a turn on

683
00:43:52,070 --> 00:43:55,480
for me. Yeah, No, I love that stuff.

684
00:43:56,030 --> 00:43:59,350
Oh, wow. Poor Dave is a lucky

685
00:43:59,850 --> 00:44:03,510
man. I know. Wow. Lo takes

686
00:44:04,010 --> 00:44:07,830
his cock out and starts giving him head. But before

687
00:44:08,330 --> 00:44:11,470
she does, she asks for his consent. And I

688
00:44:11,950 --> 00:44:15,390
really, really like that a lot. Meh. The threesome on the dais

689
00:44:15,890 --> 00:44:19,470
moves to a bed where they begin having sex. And Junior

690
00:44:20,030 --> 00:44:23,560
Junior's control begins to slip until he is

691
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,520
basically fucking Low's face. And my favorite thing

692
00:44:28,020 --> 00:44:31,200
is we're getting from her point of view and she's like describing

693
00:44:31,700 --> 00:44:35,160
how he's like fisting her hair and she's like, in her head, she's like,

694
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,520
yes, fuck my face. And it's so fucking good.

695
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,720
He comes in her mouth and she kind of like licks it

696
00:44:44,220 --> 00:44:48,240
all off and then sort of sits back. And then he forces her up onto

697
00:44:48,740 --> 00:44:52,700
his lap and. And has her grind herself on his semi

698
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,900
erect dick until she has an orgasm.

699
00:44:56,300 --> 00:45:00,340
And it is bliss. It's so good and

700
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,460
so blissful. And I just. It's. Oh, my God, it's so great.

701
00:45:05,099 --> 00:45:07,940
Do you have a favorite scene in this book? It's been a long time since

702
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,460
we talked about a favorite scene. Actually has. Yeah, I do. We haven't gotten there

703
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,380
yet. Oh, interesting. No, it's the one where they're

704
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,100
in church. That's my favorite scene too. Oh, my God. Okay.

705
00:45:19,500 --> 00:45:22,380
This is a heavy runner up, though. Afterwards,

706
00:45:22,620 --> 00:45:26,180
they head to the lounge area where they have

707
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,300
a drink and they kind of begin to fight because

708
00:45:30,540 --> 00:45:34,300
I hate. I was so mad. He's so fucking annoying.

709
00:45:34,700 --> 00:45:38,260
He's literally like, don't you want a family? What are you gonna do when you're

710
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,450
50? That's not how he says it. Oh, because you've

711
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:45,930
listened to the audiobook? I don't need to listen to the audiobook. I read the

712
00:45:46,430 --> 00:45:50,890
Fucking book. He basically, he understands

713
00:45:51,390 --> 00:45:53,930
what she does. He is not ashamed of it. He's not bothered by it at

714
00:45:54,430 --> 00:45:57,810
all. He loves it about her. But in his mind, he's thinking,

715
00:45:58,310 --> 00:46:01,210
like, well, this isn't a sustainable career. She's not going to do this forever.

716
00:46:01,710 --> 00:46:05,250
Like, she disagrees. She's like, she does disagree doing this. She does disagree.

717
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:09,300
But it's not like he's like, well, you gotta. You gotta get out

718
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,420
of it so you can have my kids. You gotta get your barefoot and pregnant

719
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,020
in my kitchen before long. Like, he's not saying it like that. He's just

720
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,420
trying to, like, understand, like, what her goals are.

721
00:46:19,900 --> 00:46:23,459
He approached it wrong. Don't make me fudgeing reread this entire

722
00:46:23,959 --> 00:46:27,460
book out loud in this fucking microphone, because I fucking will. All right. Does admit

723
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,700
that he. He's not speaking how he. Yeah, he's. Yeah, he says, like, this is

724
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,780
coming out all wrong. They're fighting. In the midst of this, some drunk men

725
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,700
have forced their way into the club. And Junior,

726
00:46:40,180 --> 00:46:43,860
like, seeing that everybody is in danger, decides to step in,

727
00:46:44,580 --> 00:46:47,900
manhandles the guy, and then promptly gets kicked out

728
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,700
of the club because there's a no violence policy. And outside the club,

729
00:46:51,940 --> 00:46:54,900
he and Lo have another fight. And then he fucking storms off.

730
00:46:55,780 --> 00:46:59,780
All right, here we go. This is where it happens. This is the moment.

731
00:47:01,460 --> 00:47:04,420
It's so good. I'm not going to be able to do it justice. I'm going

732
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:06,890
to do the very best that I can. You have to read the book.

733
00:47:06,970 --> 00:47:11,010
Read the scene. I'm gonna start posting. I'm collecting all

734
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:14,330
the chapters so that we can start posting. Chapters. That's amazing.

735
00:47:14,650 --> 00:47:18,530
Yes. Read this chapter. It's so good. Junior shows up at

736
00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:22,330
church again. He accidentally took her phone. Accidentally in quotes.

737
00:47:22,410 --> 00:47:26,090
So he has to return her phone to her. So he shows up at church

738
00:47:26,170 --> 00:47:29,850
and hides in a confessional until she walks by. And then

739
00:47:30,090 --> 00:47:33,650
he yanks her into the confessional and shuts the door.

740
00:47:34,530 --> 00:47:37,890
And. I enjoyed

741
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:41,850
this scene. He kind

742
00:47:42,350 --> 00:47:45,730
of gives her, like, a brief apology, but they're, like, in this really

743
00:47:46,530 --> 00:47:50,290
tight, cramped space. And he's

744
00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:54,330
behind her, so she's got her, like, body pressed

745
00:47:54,830 --> 00:47:58,380
up against a wall. He's got his thigh in between

746
00:47:58,460 --> 00:48:02,140
her legs, and he's, like, breathing on her neck.

747
00:48:02,380 --> 00:48:05,900
And I just, like, I would have been able to control

748
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:10,180
myself to save my life. This woman is always wearing a sundress and no

749
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,300
underwear. And no underwear. Well, she is in the scene, but, like, yeah, she's always

750
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,380
wearing a sundress and no underwear. So he's got her from behind,

751
00:48:18,620 --> 00:48:21,660
and it like, they kind of, like,

752
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,130
they do the apology, and then he's kind of, like, breathing on her neck,

753
00:48:24,630 --> 00:48:27,690
and then she's kind of like, I want to have sex with him right now.

754
00:48:27,770 --> 00:48:31,250
So she kind of, like, spreads her legs and, like, kind of pops

755
00:48:31,750 --> 00:48:35,370
her booty a little bit, and he's like, cue fucking taken,

756
00:48:35,690 --> 00:48:40,290
ma' am. Grabs her by the neck from behind and

757
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:44,530
then flips up her skirt, which we talked about this in the words is my

758
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:48,130
fucking. I don't know what it is about a skirt flip. Hit me with a

759
00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:51,930
fucking skirt flip. I don't know what it is. I just love, like,

760
00:48:52,210 --> 00:48:55,810
he flips up her skirt, rips off her underwear,

761
00:48:55,970 --> 00:49:00,050
and then he pushes his way inside her

762
00:49:00,450 --> 00:49:03,610
and then pauses. I do wish he wouldn't have done

763
00:49:04,110 --> 00:49:07,730
that. Oh, my God. This is my f.

764
00:49:07,969 --> 00:49:11,450
This is my favorite. Let me tell you

765
00:49:11,950 --> 00:49:15,170
something. If you as a person have never tried this and

766
00:49:15,670 --> 00:49:19,980
you have never orgasmed with a man, have him penetrate

767
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,580
you shallow while you rub your clit. It is. I.

768
00:49:23,660 --> 00:49:27,020
It. I don't even need it. Five minutes less.

769
00:49:27,100 --> 00:49:30,140
Really? Three minutes. Yes. It's so good.

770
00:49:30,300 --> 00:49:33,820
I just can't even begin to describe it to you. So. But he

771
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,860
is totally static in this scene, and he tells her explicitly,

772
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,620
do not move. And while they're in this confessional, the pastor

773
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:45,670
is giving a tour of the church,

774
00:49:46,550 --> 00:49:50,190
and they're, like, wandering around outside the confessional and,

775
00:49:50,690 --> 00:49:54,110
like, talking about baseball. And he, like, pushes inside her,

776
00:49:54,610 --> 00:49:57,870
and she moans. And the people outside are like, did you

777
00:49:58,370 --> 00:50:02,070
hear something? Like, so they're on

778
00:50:02,570 --> 00:50:05,510
top of it all. They're trying so hard to be quiet.

779
00:50:06,230 --> 00:50:10,840
And then he rubs her clit until she orgasms

780
00:50:11,340 --> 00:50:13,920
and then pulls out and, like, comes on her,

781
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,880
basically. And the entire time, like,

782
00:50:18,380 --> 00:50:22,240
she describes, like, basically having to hold her breath while she orgasms so that she

783
00:50:22,740 --> 00:50:25,840
doesn't make a sound. And it is this scene.

784
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,840
I don't even remember what time of day it was. I read the scene,

785
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,800
and I immediately found my husband. I could not wait

786
00:50:34,300 --> 00:50:37,530
but five more minutes. Yeah, it was so good. It's so well written.

787
00:50:38,170 --> 00:50:41,770
This is why I liked this book. I could see that. I also

788
00:50:42,270 --> 00:50:44,890
enjoyed this scene again. I mean, I wish that he would have fucked her,

789
00:50:45,390 --> 00:50:48,330
but I have not done this, so that's something I'll have to do. And I'll

790
00:50:48,830 --> 00:50:53,130
report back. In an attempt to prove to Lo that he is not ashamed

791
00:50:53,630 --> 00:50:57,610
of her work, he invites her to Allie

792
00:50:58,110 --> 00:51:02,090
and Josh's engagement barbecue. And she goes,

793
00:51:02,470 --> 00:51:05,710
they have fun. And then Lo brings Junior back to her

794
00:51:06,210 --> 00:51:09,870
place where he lays back on the bed, telling her to

795
00:51:10,370 --> 00:51:13,590
grab the headboard and sit on his face. And she

796
00:51:14,090 --> 00:51:17,350
does. To orgasm. I have a big problem with this scene.

797
00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:21,590
He's like, sit on my face low. And she's like, what if I suffocate

798
00:51:22,090 --> 00:51:25,750
you? Oh, like, no, shut up. You're five fucking foot. Honest to God,

799
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:29,750
ma' am, could you just shut the fuck up? Men don't care.

800
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:33,820
They don't care. And honest to God, I, like,

801
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,900
can't imagine any man being like, I want you to sit on my face.

802
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,300
And then a woman being like, what if I suffocate you? And him being like,

803
00:51:41,700 --> 00:51:44,580
yeah, you're right. Yeah, you're right. We better. Like,

804
00:51:44,820 --> 00:51:47,980
what? Never, like, never tells you to sit on

805
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,460
his face. He wants. He. Yes. He wants to go out that way. 100.

806
00:51:51,940 --> 00:51:54,420
He's ready for it. Yes. Oh, my God.

807
00:51:54,900 --> 00:51:58,100
Before they can have sex, Junior receives a phone call

808
00:51:58,730 --> 00:52:02,170
that requires him to leave,

809
00:52:02,250 --> 00:52:06,050
like, immediately. He's put together a plan so

810
00:52:06,550 --> 00:52:10,170
that he can break off from his dad, be with Low in

811
00:52:10,670 --> 00:52:14,490
peace, and help her keep the club. And it turns out that the club's

812
00:52:14,650 --> 00:52:18,730
landlord, who has been raising their rent, has a

813
00:52:18,810 --> 00:52:22,810
massive gambling problem. Junior and his team follow

814
00:52:23,310 --> 00:52:27,480
him, only to learn that his bookie is none other than Josh's

815
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:31,160
roommate and best friend, Tyler. This was kind of annoying.

816
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:35,320
This was just so out of left field.

817
00:52:35,820 --> 00:52:39,160
Yeah, he's this big. How he has. I don't even know

818
00:52:39,660 --> 00:52:42,600
how to articulate what I'm thinking. Yeah, he's not a mastermind.

819
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,040
No. Not to mention the fact that Tyler is written completely different as a

820
00:52:46,540 --> 00:52:49,600
person in this book than he was in the first book. Which brings me back

821
00:52:50,100 --> 00:52:53,240
to how all of her side characters are props. Yeah. Oh,

822
00:52:53,740 --> 00:52:56,400
his book is for sure. Next. Yeah, it's. But it is for sure. Next.

823
00:52:56,900 --> 00:53:00,960
There's a bonus scene that we get, and I just don't. I don't like him

824
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,360
based on his behavior at the barbecue. I liked him enough when

825
00:53:04,860 --> 00:53:08,160
he was. When he was Josh's roommate and when he was written the

826
00:53:08,660 --> 00:53:11,640
way that he was written in Lights out in this book. I don't like anything

827
00:53:12,140 --> 00:53:14,800
about him, so I don't. Yeah.

828
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:19,440
Anyways, Junior and Tyler make an agreement that Junior

829
00:53:19,940 --> 00:53:24,910
will buy the landlord's debt and that

830
00:53:25,410 --> 00:53:28,990
he and Tyler will go into business together on the building that he's going

831
00:53:29,490 --> 00:53:32,150
to take from him. Yeah. Tyler's like, oh, it's a good money laundering scam.

832
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:35,350
Yeah. Shut the up. Yeah. Who do you think you Are.

833
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:38,470
Yeah. And then Junior's like, we got to keep it legit. And he's like,

834
00:53:38,550 --> 00:53:42,590
okay. Yeah. Unnecessary. Just more unnecessary writing.

835
00:53:43,090 --> 00:53:45,830
Yeah. 100. Nicole's so mad. I love it. I didn't love it.

836
00:53:46,390 --> 00:53:49,830
You literally glow when you're angry. It's. You have, like, a halo, and it's

837
00:53:50,330 --> 00:53:53,310
so pretty. It's literally because the sun is behind me. Oh,

838
00:53:53,810 --> 00:53:57,750
maybe that's it. Junior confronts the landlord,

839
00:53:58,070 --> 00:54:02,030
forcing him to sign over the building that Velvet

840
00:54:02,530 --> 00:54:05,350
resides in by cutting off his finger. I did enjoy that.

841
00:54:05,830 --> 00:54:08,790
Yeah, I did. I kind of did, too, to be honest.

842
00:54:09,590 --> 00:54:13,190
While this is playing out, Lauren visits her sister,

843
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,440
who we know nothing about. We just. They apparently have a really tumultuous

844
00:54:17,940 --> 00:54:21,600
relationship. We know nothing about her sister. Yeah. But her sister's apparently a huge cunt.

845
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,960
Apparently. I think that Lo is an unreliable narrator.

846
00:54:26,460 --> 00:54:29,919
I agree with that. Because Lo is literally like, oh, of course her husband's

847
00:54:30,419 --> 00:54:33,520
gonna side with her all the time. First of all. Yeah, of course he is.

848
00:54:34,020 --> 00:54:37,040
Yeah. Second of all, her sister apparently just picks a fight out of nowhere and

849
00:54:37,540 --> 00:54:40,460
is so mean to her. Out of nowhere. It's just seems unlikely.

850
00:54:40,780 --> 00:54:44,260
I have to go back to, though. I think that this author is setting her

851
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,820
up for her own, like, spin off her sister.

852
00:54:47,980 --> 00:54:51,420
Yeah. Really? I really, sincerely think that this author is

853
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,820
like, there's another book series. I can't remember what it's called, but it's about a

854
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,540
town. It's a spin off of another book series that we read.

855
00:54:58,780 --> 00:55:02,180
Tis the season for revenge. Tis the season for revenge. The way

856
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:06,850
that we get her sister. Her sister's name is Kirsten. Or Kristen is

857
00:55:07,090 --> 00:55:09,890
like. Lo like, describes it as, like,

858
00:55:10,130 --> 00:55:14,050
her, like, keeping secrets so that she can, like, hold it against

859
00:55:14,210 --> 00:55:16,930
Lo because she knows something and Lo doesn't know something.

860
00:55:17,330 --> 00:55:20,210
And it's kind of like, did you ever consider the fact that, like,

861
00:55:20,450 --> 00:55:23,490
maybe she just doesn't want you to fucking spiral out of control?

862
00:55:24,050 --> 00:55:27,570
Because in this scene, her sister discloses to her.

863
00:55:28,130 --> 00:55:31,970
Basically, the rumors are that dad is dead and the last person

864
00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:36,360
that he was seen with was Nico. And Junior. And Low

865
00:55:36,860 --> 00:55:40,280
Spirals shows up, somehow manages to find where Junior lives,

866
00:55:40,780 --> 00:55:43,480
even though she's never. She tells her sister to go fuck herself and leaves,

867
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,920
and then somehow tracks down Junior's apartment and is waiting for

868
00:55:47,420 --> 00:55:49,600
him inside. And he's like, I have no idea how she got inside. Yeah.

869
00:55:50,100 --> 00:55:53,680
But she's inside somehow. Yeah, with. With her taser. And he walks

870
00:55:54,180 --> 00:55:57,840
in the door, and she tases him and gets into a physical altercation with

871
00:55:58,340 --> 00:56:02,180
him because he doesn't know who's attacking him in his apartment, so he tries

872
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,900
to subdue her. And then they fight. And then they proceed to fight.

873
00:56:06,060 --> 00:56:09,220
It's the. It's a misunderstanding trope done just wrong.

874
00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:13,180
I super did not enjoy it. Well, first they're fighting,

875
00:56:13,340 --> 00:56:16,539
so she's like, did you count my father? And he's like, yeah, I fucking killed

876
00:56:17,039 --> 00:56:19,740
him. And then she's like, oh my God, you killed him. And then he's like.

877
00:56:20,060 --> 00:56:23,220
And then he's like, I didn't mean to say that. Like, I didn't actually kill

878
00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:26,980
him. And it just. The whole thing is just like. And she basically tells him

879
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:31,000
that she never wants to see him again. Later, he breaks into her house

880
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,600
to leave her the deed for the building,

881
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:38,560
at which point they talk through everything. Now she wants.

882
00:56:39,060 --> 00:56:42,440
Now she's okay to talk. Yeah, now she can talk about it. So he basically

883
00:56:42,940 --> 00:56:45,880
explains what his plan was. How he was going to use the building to get

884
00:56:46,380 --> 00:56:49,760
out from underneath his dad, how he was going to help her. He confesses to

885
00:56:50,260 --> 00:56:53,280
all of the things that he's done throughout the course of the last 10 years

886
00:56:53,780 --> 00:56:57,730
to protect her and help make her life easier. And he

887
00:56:57,810 --> 00:57:01,130
explains that her dad is not dead, that he's in

888
00:57:01,630 --> 00:57:04,850
Italy, and that when they made him disappear, they literally made

889
00:57:05,350 --> 00:57:08,210
him disappear. Which I kind of felt like was stupid. It's so fucking stupid.

890
00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:12,130
Why didn't you just kill him? Honest to God. Because then later his dad,

891
00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:15,250
like, threatens to kill his dad for dad. She doesn't care.

892
00:57:15,650 --> 00:57:18,370
Yeah, she doesn't. Nobody in the family cares. In fact,

893
00:57:18,610 --> 00:57:21,890
she's so fucking one dimensional that the only person who ever brings up the

894
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:25,600
fact that her dad is missing is Junior. He's the only one who's like,

895
00:57:26,100 --> 00:57:29,360
yeah, I'm really waiting to see those tears. And she never any. She never cries.

896
00:57:29,860 --> 00:57:33,600
Nope. Because she never thinks about it. Not once. It's just bizarre. From here,

897
00:57:34,100 --> 00:57:37,240
they decide that they're gonna really. They're gonna give it a go. They're gonna

898
00:57:37,740 --> 00:57:39,720
put everything into this relationship and they're gonna take it seriously.

899
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:42,920
I hated it.

900
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:50,410
Yeah. It's like one of those things where I was like, she just

901
00:57:50,910 --> 00:57:54,050
kind of tries to wrap it all up. Yes. You know, she's just like,

902
00:57:54,130 --> 00:57:57,970
we're gonna. Have a third act breakup. Misunderstanding. Yeah. And then

903
00:57:58,470 --> 00:58:02,130
we are over it so quickly. Yeah. She just tased him,

904
00:58:02,630 --> 00:58:06,290
but they're gonna be together forever. And he, like, choked her to subdue her.

905
00:58:06,370 --> 00:58:09,050
Yeah. And they're just like, okay. Yeah,

906
00:58:09,550 --> 00:58:12,730
misunderstanding. Fine. Shoot. So silly. The time has

907
00:58:13,230 --> 00:58:16,450
Come to confront Junior's dad and tell him that he's

908
00:58:16,950 --> 00:58:20,600
with Lo and that he quits. This seemed risky.

909
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,080
If his dad. Because Josh and Allie are there. Yeah. If his

910
00:58:24,580 --> 00:58:27,640
dad is really this big of like a mafia guy who does kill people and

911
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:32,200
this little ragtag gang is just going

912
00:58:32,700 --> 00:58:36,120
in there to confront him. Their family, though, I don't

913
00:58:36,620 --> 00:58:40,080
get the. Feeling that that matters, really. I mean,

914
00:58:40,580 --> 00:58:43,240
it does kind of. But we've seen books where it doesn't matter.

915
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:47,450
Sure. Like, fathers are very willing to kill their kids. Like, brutal obsession.

916
00:58:48,170 --> 00:58:52,170
Oh, sure. Yeah. This is mafia,

917
00:58:52,670 --> 00:58:55,810
though. Italian family first, I guess. I don't know.

918
00:58:56,310 --> 00:58:58,570
I didn't feel like they were really in any true danger.

919
00:58:59,850 --> 00:59:03,450
The scene, I think, is written well. You really can

920
00:59:03,950 --> 00:59:07,450
feel the tension and the hostility in. Well, yeah. His dad calls. Yeah.

921
00:59:07,950 --> 00:59:10,890
A whore. And then he's like, ally, get out. And she's like, no,

922
00:59:11,610 --> 00:59:14,960
staying here. And then his dad

923
00:59:15,460 --> 00:59:20,080
sees red and attacks Junior. So, yeah. So basically they break

924
00:59:20,580 --> 00:59:24,840
it all down for him. His father attacks him, and then his

925
00:59:25,340 --> 00:59:28,440
mom basically stops his dad from attacking him,

926
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,400
brings him back to earth. And all of the kids,

927
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:32,920
all of the boys.

928
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:38,570
Tase him. Yes. Lotases him. Six saves.

929
00:59:39,070 --> 00:59:42,330
Yeah. Saves Junior's life. And then Josh throws up in the bushes because

930
00:59:42,830 --> 00:59:46,090
he can't handle the smell of burnt flesh. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. That's kind of

931
00:59:46,590 --> 00:59:49,810
funny. There are. So Junior has three brothers. There's four

932
00:59:50,310 --> 00:59:52,450
boys total. Do you think that there's also going to be books about them?

933
00:59:52,610 --> 00:59:56,010
Yeah, Alec was in this book a lot. I'm feeling like he's getting his own

934
00:59:56,510 --> 00:59:59,490
book. Yeah, there was something being set up there because there was some unusual behavior

935
00:59:59,990 --> 01:00:03,890
that we never get explained. But anyways, so after all this

936
01:00:04,550 --> 01:00:08,310
happens, basically all the boys in the family are like,

937
01:00:08,810 --> 01:00:12,710
yeah, you get your shit together, we're out. And they all basically abandon

938
01:00:13,210 --> 01:00:16,950
him. Some time's gone by, we learn that Junior. That under

939
01:00:17,450 --> 01:00:20,950
Junior's. Junior and Lowe's new ownership, the club has been thriving.

940
01:00:21,510 --> 01:00:25,750
We get a scene this time, Lo and Junior

941
01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:29,790
are on the dais, and Junior

942
01:00:30,290 --> 01:00:33,400
has been practicing with his knots. I did like, that little.

943
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:37,480
Little tidbit being thrown in. Like they're watching TV and he's practicing his knots.

944
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:40,680
Yes. I am sincerely obsessed

945
01:00:41,180 --> 01:00:44,040
with that. Especially when a man's learning to tie knots to tie me up.

946
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:50,280
That's a kink I didn't know I had. Yes. It's so

947
01:00:50,780 --> 01:00:54,240
great. Honestly. I don't want you to be learning how to tie off a boat.

948
01:00:54,740 --> 01:00:58,730
I want you to be learning how to tie me off. Yep. They enter the

949
01:00:59,230 --> 01:01:03,170
room and onto the dais, they exchange

950
01:01:03,670 --> 01:01:06,850
an I love you, which is so sweet. Of course

951
01:01:07,350 --> 01:01:11,050
it is. I love it. And then he

952
01:01:11,550 --> 01:01:14,530
basically, like. He says, I love you, and she says, I love you too.

953
01:01:15,030 --> 01:01:17,090
And he's like, thank you for doing this with me. And then he, like,

954
01:01:17,590 --> 01:01:21,010
kisses her on the nose and then undoes the sash on her robe and just,

955
01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:24,760
like, pops her open. And Taylor is in the audience.

956
01:01:25,260 --> 01:01:27,520
And Taylor in the audience is like, yeah, girl.

957
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:32,320
Nicole and I. The number of eye rolls. Yeah.

958
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:37,040
He lays her down on the bed, and then he meticulously

959
01:01:37,540 --> 01:01:41,160
knots and ties her up. The anticipation in the

960
01:01:41,660 --> 01:01:44,360
room is, like, building. And he's kind of starting to get, like, a sense of,

961
01:01:44,860 --> 01:01:48,680
like, oh, people are watching. And she is so

962
01:01:49,180 --> 01:01:53,420
ready for him that she's like, please, just fuck me. She's, like, begging him to

963
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,820
fuck her. And he had done this really, like, sweet thing where

964
01:01:57,900 --> 01:02:01,740
he kind of was, like, teasing her at first and just kind of kissed

965
01:02:01,900 --> 01:02:05,460
her, like, over her underwear. And now she says that,

966
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,940
and he just rips him off. And everybody in the audience is like.

967
01:02:13,180 --> 01:02:17,240
Because it's so sexy. And then, yeah, he has

968
01:02:17,740 --> 01:02:21,080
sex with her, and everybody in the club starts having sex.

969
01:02:21,580 --> 01:02:25,040
And he realizes that other people are watching him having sex. And she says

970
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:29,080
she can feel him get harder inside of her.

971
01:02:29,580 --> 01:02:31,360
And I was like, this is.

972
01:02:32,399 --> 01:02:36,160
This book was written for me. I just, like, I loved everything about

973
01:02:36,660 --> 01:02:40,680
it. So they both come. We get an epilogue. They picked

974
01:02:41,180 --> 01:02:44,440
up having their monthly family dinners or weekly family dinners at Josh

975
01:02:44,940 --> 01:02:48,650
and Ally's house. All of their friends are invited, including Tyler, and Tyler shows

976
01:02:49,150 --> 01:02:52,850
up with his new girlfriend. And that's. That's it. So that's

977
01:02:53,350 --> 01:02:56,770
the end of the book. So good. All right, well, so then,

978
01:02:57,270 --> 01:03:00,690
Nevaessa Allen. We've already kind of talked a little bit about her on

979
01:03:01,190 --> 01:03:04,410
one of our previous episodes when we did Lights Out. So you can find her

980
01:03:04,910 --> 01:03:08,490
online and look her up. I really, really liked

981
01:03:08,990 --> 01:03:11,090
the sex scenes in this book. I think she did a really good job of

982
01:03:11,590 --> 01:03:15,150
writing those. Nevesa Allen is not my favorite writer. Nope. She just

983
01:03:15,650 --> 01:03:19,990
is not. And I. I don't care about any of the other shit, the controversy

984
01:03:20,490 --> 01:03:23,670
around any of the other shit about her. I have my own reasons for it,

985
01:03:24,170 --> 01:03:27,350
and I just. I enjoyed the book. I'm grateful

986
01:03:27,850 --> 01:03:31,190
for the writing. I think that it was. This particular

987
01:03:31,270 --> 01:03:33,750
dynamic is unique. We haven't read anything like this before.

988
01:03:34,230 --> 01:03:38,110
Anyways, you can go check her out. We gotta thank Paggle. We always

989
01:03:38,610 --> 01:03:40,990
want to Say thank you to Paggle for her help on our social media and

990
01:03:41,490 --> 01:03:45,040
our website. We're so grateful for her. Should we do ratings?

991
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:49,480
Spice level. Spice level. I would give

992
01:03:49,980 --> 01:03:53,280
this book. I would probably give this book a 4.

993
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:56,880
I gave it a 3.5. I think I was just

994
01:03:57,380 --> 01:04:01,200
mad. Yeah. Honestly. Shoot. And there's really only, like, two sex

995
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:03,680
scenes. All the rest are oral.

996
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:08,280
Sure. I think I was just mad. Well, we're going off of graphic,

997
01:04:08,780 --> 01:04:11,940
though, right? So, I mean, at one point

998
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:16,300
in time, they're talking about a woman making her way over each barbell

999
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:20,460
of a man's coat. It is graphic, so. And I say it's graphic,

1000
01:04:20,860 --> 01:04:24,180
so. Yeah, I might end my. Amend my rating to a

1001
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:26,060
four. I'm gonna amend mine to a four and a half.

1002
01:04:28,460 --> 01:04:32,340
Spice frequency. Spice frequency. I would give.

1003
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:34,860
I would give it a four. Yeah, I gave it a four as well.

1004
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:38,520
It is. It starts with other people having sex. Yes.

1005
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:41,320
Prose. This is so hard.

1006
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:45,560
I'm gonna give prose. I'm gonna give prose A3.

1007
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:49,960
I also gave it A3. Grammatically, there isn't anything wrong

1008
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:53,400
with the way that she writes. It's so underdeveloped.

1009
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:57,320
Yeah. The side characters. There's, like, you said, too much fluff

1010
01:04:57,820 --> 01:05:01,240
added. I didn't like the writing. Yeah, I didn't either.

1011
01:05:01,540 --> 01:05:05,300
Storyline. Storyline. I'm gonna.

1012
01:05:05,860 --> 01:05:09,940
How many of the storylines? Okay, I gave it a two. That's pretty

1013
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,700
mad. Overall. Overall, I'm gonna give this book.

1014
01:05:14,260 --> 01:05:17,900
I gave it a two. I just really didn't

1015
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:21,260
like it. I would not. If we wouldn't have been doing it for the podcast,

1016
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,260
I would have DNF'd it really early on.

1017
01:05:24,820 --> 01:05:28,230
I was that mad about it. I really liked

1018
01:05:28,730 --> 01:05:31,470
it. I. This book, for me was a book where I was, like,

1019
01:05:31,630 --> 01:05:35,110
reading it and was like, I. I didn't want to do anything else. Like,

1020
01:05:35,610 --> 01:05:37,550
I would, like, have to put it down to go do something. And I'd be

1021
01:05:38,050 --> 01:05:40,750
like, okay, the second moment, I'd have a moment of free time.

1022
01:05:40,910 --> 01:05:44,670
I think at one point, actually, True story. I was

1023
01:05:44,750 --> 01:05:48,270
stuck in traffic coming home, and I was reading.

1024
01:05:48,770 --> 01:05:52,230
While I was waiting, I was reading this book at the stop sign. That's so

1025
01:05:52,730 --> 01:05:55,940
safe. Yeah. I mean, I was waiting for 15. Oh, my God.

1026
01:05:56,020 --> 01:05:59,540
Yeah, it was like the cross traffic was going

1027
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:02,620
like this, and we were supposed to be taking a left. So I just has

1028
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:07,100
to wait for shower traffic. Absolutely not. Yeah. So for

1029
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,420
me, I feel like the pace of the book was on point. If a book

1030
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,660
is going to be poorly written, I want it to be smutty. And this book

1031
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:17,300
was smutty. So poorly written, but good smut.

1032
01:06:17,460 --> 01:06:20,670
So I was on board. Yeah. All right, well,

1033
01:06:21,170 --> 01:06:24,710
thank you so much for joining us. That finishes our recap of Caught

1034
01:06:25,210 --> 01:06:32,150
up by Nabessa Allen. You can find us online still@www.booksletspodcast.com.

1035
01:06:32,230 --> 01:06:35,910
we are going to get that switched over eventually. We just aren't going to

1036
01:06:36,410 --> 01:06:40,310
do it right now because I'm busy. Because we're millennials and

1037
01:06:40,390 --> 01:06:43,470
technology is hard. You still find us on social media.

1038
01:06:43,970 --> 01:06:48,950
Follow us on TikTok and Instagram. We're @BookSletsPod. You can find us on YouTube for

1039
01:06:49,110 --> 01:06:52,750
transcripts of our episodes. I'm Amanda. I'm Nicole.

1040
01:06:53,250 --> 01:06:53,910
And we're Plot tarts.